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HI i m emsisoft fan. your 22 person team has done tremendous revolution in emsisoft product. you are fast updater and your  developing and improving product very fast way which is appreciable.


 


my one suggesion for improvement is "can emsisoft provide option in antimalware/internet security like signature usasge (1) bitdefender (2) emsisoft? so i i want to use bitdefender signature only for my emsisoft antimalware/internet security in my pc because emsisoft has some false positive also which gives irritation of submitting file all time. (if you install emsisoft antimalware in window 7 or 8, do scan and see if emsisoft engine detects false positive or not. its detecting window applicationtoo..)


 


hence i would request you to add one option of signature usage selection (1) bitdefender (2) emsisoft. so if i select bitdefender signature then only bitdefender signature shold only be downloaded and used for scannning and detection. emsisoft engine singature shold not be downloaded and not used to detection during scanning. can you please do this? with this i hope you will surely gain more customer surely.


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Siketa, see this is different topic, but yes its one of topic. let user decide which option of singuare whether bitdefender or emsisoft to be used . because this will give flexibility to user for singature detection. IN my pc i scanned with bitdefender free edition & avetix (with latest update) also. it does not show any bitdefender signature detection which is shown by emsisoft signature for window files and registry which seems to be false positive for window 7. so i want this option feature in emsisoft if this is possible. this will increase users of emisoft surely. 

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But can you please reply to option below which i suggested? or from your development expert? i would be happy if below is implemented in emsisoft version under BETA segment.

 

"hence i would request you to add one option of signature usage selection (1) bitdefender (2) emsisoft. so if i select bitdefender signature then only bitdefender signature should only be downloaded and used for scanning and detection. emsisoft engine signature shold not be downloaded and not used to detection during scanning. can you please do this? with this i hope you will surely gain more customer surely."

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ok thanks siketa.

 

dear emsisoft employee, as you are faster developer which i have seen through your change log. i would request to add this option of signature which is said above in details. this is for emsisoft growth firstly and secondly for user like me who want to continue to stick to emsisoft with bitdefender signature only with your option addition. i am sure this will increase emsisoft customer.

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I'm not an employee, just a tester like Siketa... but personally I think it's best to keep things the way they are now. Emsisoft's inhouse signatures compliment BD signatures (Emsisoft sigs that overlap BD's are removed), so if only one set of signatures is used then detection will drop considerably - and I am sure you do not want that. :)

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Dear alexstrasza & siket, emsisoft has host blocker (pup host, phishing host, malware host, privacy cookie blocker too inbult) which control this things very well) i feel emsisoft must run in fresh window 7, 8 & 10. to reduce false positive. becz it shows regestry also along with files of system which can lead to system fail or format of system. 

 

if you see bitdefender detection test results in av-comparatives and youtube free av detection comprarision & others,, you will see that bitdefender is best one in detection part most importantly for NEW zero day samples too that might be reason for purchasing licence of bitdefender by emsisoft....hence i would keep requesting to add option of signature of bitdefender and emsisoft in current version under beta and ofcource final release if possible. because going forward No one has time to submit false positive

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becz i feel this option will be good.

Our scan engine is designed from the ground up to use both Bitdefender and our own scan engine. Detection rates will be abysmal if you make changes to the engine configuration. So it is not going to happen. You mentioned we produce several false positives on freshly installed Windows machines. The proper fix is to fix those false positives and you can help us do that by reporting them to us. Not add some extra settings that in the end will drastically reduce detection quality. 

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OK veteran. but one more thing which you mentioned that detection rate will reduce drastically. i dont know why it will reduce drastically becz bitdefender signature is best in detection, since bitdefender birth singature of their are used to remain topper always it mean they maintained signature database and update very well. i dont think emsisoft detection rate will reduce drastically becz there is avetix which is free av uses bitdefender engine & bitdefender free antivirus edition. if you crosscheck detection rate of avetix or bitdefender free antivirus 1.0.22 with emsisoft detection, its not reduced detection becz bitdefender is pioneer in singature detection database and updation. 

 

anyway final call is upto emsisoft, i said this idea becz i know emsisoft is best in faster improvement and development. this idea option intension is to allow user to choose option whether they was highest detection with some false positive with both emsisoft and bitdefender engine enabled, 2nd option is to little may be 0.2% (approximately) drop detection with only bitdefender engine option enabled with negligible false positive compared to both engine option enabled.

 

anyway thanks for reply.

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OK veteran. but one more thing which you mentioned that detection rate will reduce drastically. i dont know why it will reduce drastically becz bitdefender signature is best in detection, since bitdefender birth singature of their are used to remain topper always it mean they maintained signature database and update very well. i dont think emsisoft detection rate will reduce drastically becz there is avetix which is free av uses bitdefender engine & bitdefender free antivirus edition. if you crosscheck detection rate of avetix or bitdefender free antivirus 1.0.22 with emsisoft detection, its not reduced detection becz bitdefender is pioneer in singature detection database and updation. 

 

anyway final call is upto emsisoft, i said this idea becz i know emsisoft is best in faster improvement and development. this idea option intension is to allow user to choose option whether they was highest detection with some false positive with both emsisoft and bitdefender engine enabled, 2nd option is to little may be 0.2% (approximately) drop detection with only bitdefender engine option enabled with negligible false positive compared to both engine option enabled.

 

anyway thanks for reply.

I will put my 2 cents to tell you that there's no single antivirus or engine able to detect 100% malware all the time. But having two engines in one single software will save you tons of time, and the detection rate maybe around 98% or more. One single engine sometimes can miss detect malware but having a secondary engine will able to fill that gap hole that the 1st priority engine fail to detect. I understand that you knows BitDefender having a great signature and they managed to beat Kaspersky in AV test straight 2 years in a row maybe? As far as i know, BitDefender and other engine can generate false positives, and the best way is to submit the false positives to Emsisoft and let them process the false positive sample to BitDefender or submit the false positive sample directly to BitDefender. Either way, BitDefender will receive the false positives sample to further analyzing. Matter of fact, i don't feels anything by having Emsisoft and BitDefender engine running together, because all i want is virus/malware free.

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everyone knows that bitdefender is best in signature detection, you can check youtube videos and av-comparatives test for same.

even emsisoft realized this thing which could be reason that emsisoft has bitdefender engine version 11 in emsisoft antimalware 10 version.

 

going foward in future no one will have time to submit false positive of emsisoft signature specially for new released window like 7,8, 10. this will add flexibility to user & users time will be saved on submission of false positive of emsisoft signature.

User who want negligible false positive with high detection (99.7% approximately taking example for comparision) will opt bitdefender, user who want more than negligible false positive (some false positive) with little high detection rate (99.9% approximately taking example for comparision only) will opt both bitdefender and emsisoft.

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User who want negligible false positive with high detection (99.7% approximately taking example for comparision) will opt bitdefender, user who want more than negligible false positive (some false positive) with little high detection rate (99.9% approximately taking example for comparision only) will opt both bitdefender and emsisoft.

This is just my experience, but most of the false positives have been from BitDefender. So turning off the Emsisoft engine will reduce detection with almost no change to false positive rates at all. I think there is no point to turn off one engine in Emsisoft products, as it will do nothing but lower protection.
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everyone knows that bitdefender is best in signature detection, you can check youtube videos and av-comparatives test for same.

Actually, they aren't the best. When you check test result you will see they are one of the best, but rarely do they end up being the best.

 

going foward in future no one will have time to submit false positive of emsisoft signature specially for new released window like 7,8, 10. this will add flexibility to user & users time will be saved on submission of false positive of emsisoft signature.

User who want negligible false positive with high detection (99.7% approximately taking example for comparision) will opt bitdefender, user who want more than negligible false positive (some false positive) with little high detection rate (99.9% approximately taking example for comparision only) will opt both bitdefender and emsisoft.

You constantly speak of false positives we produce according to you but still fail to give any example of a false positive we caused. I suggest you either put some evidence on the table or stop claiming we are having false positives on freshly installed Windows systems. While it is true that there is little in terms of malware detection that we can add to Bitdefender, because it already is detecting almost 100% of all malware, it is also true that our signatures haven't caused a single false positive in these tests for the past 2 years. Every single false positive we had in on-demand tests on AV-C for example was a Bitdefender false positive.

The reality though is that even though Bitdefender is good at detecting malware, it fails horribly when it comes to PUPs. When you look at malware removal communities, you will notice an alarming PUP trend that has been going strong for the past 2 years or so. Forums are flooded with users seeking help with removing PUPs. Quite frankly, this year almost 80% of all the infections we found on user systems were PUP related. Only 20% are actually related to malware. Of these 80% PUP related detections, almost 75% are detected by our scan engine and our signatures.

Bottom line is: Allowing you to turn off our signatures will severely cripple PUP detection. while allowing you to turn off Bitdefender signatures will severely cripple malware detection. That is why we will never allow you to turn off one or the other.

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See pasted above my word file showing detection of emsisoft singature of my OS installed drive scan result now..if you see mobogene its famous application which you will find in google. its shown in detection result by emsisoft only if you  check mobogeniue android market app scan detection of virustotal its not detected by bitdefender, this all detections are found in my system drives where application along with OS are installed. i think this mobogenie detection of emsisoft is surely seems to be false positive, i am just giving you example with this.  this are not detected by bitdefender.

kindly give me your PUP malware detection some files or post of virustotal which shows that emsisoft detected that pup but not detected by bitdefender. becz i have heard  first time aboout your said pup detection advantage of emsisoft. your evidence of pup detection by emsisoft and not by bitdefender i would liike to see hence please post it. if you see above regestry also detected by emsisoft signature. i am afraid to quarantine as its seems to be system OS file for which i m not sure. i know emsisoft has host blocker as said in my above post. one more thing which you said about bitdefender that they are not best, i would like to ask you that if they are not best then why emsisoft has bitdefender engine? you do detection test by emsisoft signature of one large sample file and do detection on demand test by bitdefender then you will surely find that malware signature detection of bitdefender is better than emsisoft.post-33913-0-15119100-1432221578_thumb.png

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See pasted above my word file showing detection of emsisoft singature of my OS installed drive scan result now.

I must have missed that file. Can I ask where exactly you posted it because I can't find it.

 

if you see mobogene its famous application which you will find in google. its shown in detection result by emsisoft only if you  check mobogeniue android market app scan detection of virustotal its not detected by bitdefender, this all detections are found in my system drives where application along with OS are installed. i think this mobogenie detection of emsisoft is surely seems to be false positive, i am just giving you example with this.  this are not detected by bitdefender.

Mobogenie comes bundled with various PUPs and uses the InstallCore PUP installation framework. That is why it is detected as such.

 

kindly give me your PUP malware detection some files or post of virustotal which shows that emsisoft detected that pup but not detected by bitdefender.

We asked VirusTotal to disable our PUP detection because most PUP peddlers regularly check VirusTotal and send removal requests to companies detecting their crap. We are a relatively small company with limited resources. Personally we prefer to spend our time adding new detections instead of explaining PUP peddlers while we won't remove the detection. Asking VirusTotal to not enable our PUP detection allows us to do exactly that.

 

becz i have heard  first time aboout your said pup detection advantage of emsisoft. your evidence of pup detection by emsisoft and not by bitdefender i would liike to see hence please post it.

We actually posted a blog post about it quite a while ago:

http://blog.emsisoft.com/2015/03/25/antivirus-anti-malware-anti-pup-what-is-emsisoft-really/

 

one more thing which you said about bitdefender that they are not best, i would like to ask you that if they are not best then why emsisoft has bitdefender engine?

Detection rate is just one factor. There are lots of things to consider in addition to just the detection rate, for example:

  • Is the engine even available for licensing?
  • How much does licensing the engine cost?
  • Does the engine fit into the existing technology stack?
  • Does it support the features you require?

So yeah, there is more to choosing an engine to license than just detection rate.

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Veteran, i attached pdf copy for emsisoft scan result  version in window 7 OS. one more thing, zone alarm also purhcased kaspersky licence. even emsisoft may try this. but you opted bitdefender becz you also know that bitdefender is best. (you see AV-C results of bitdefneder detection test and check youtube videos, it will give same sense) but i dont want to go in this direction becz this is off topic.

 

i saw your article which you shared. can you give some evidence of it? becz its article only.  you can share any videos link here in which emsisoft detected pup or adware more than bitdefender. i would appreciate if you post here video link of any result of pup or adware detection comparision of bitdefender and emsisoft.

 

i am posted below link of virustotal of adware detection today's date scanning result. this is taken from malwaretips. you can see that this is adware/pup detected by bitdefender and not by emsisoft.

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/36ca68fa4edcb781b9991697897c46ab335b960d35e138cdd5ba13867bb07a29/analysis/1432306342/

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i am posted below link of virustotal of adware detection today's date scanning result. this is taken from malwaretips. you can see that this is adware/pup detected by bitdefender and not by emsisoft.

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/36ca68fa4edcb781b9991697897c46ab335b960d35e138cdd5ba13867bb07a29/analysis/1432306342/

I think you missed my point at this post - since BitDefender already detects it, Emsisoft will remove their signature. Nothing is wrong with Emsisoft detecting it using BD signature here.
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alexstraszza, i wanted to tell that bitdefender detected adware/pup which is clearly visible in that virustotal example link which i posted. it meant that bitdefender was first to detect it. i know one thing that if threat detected by emsisoft first then emsisoft signature will be visible if bitdefender detect that threat after emsisoft, then emsisoft will keep their signature only for this threat which they detected firstly. recently i saw this in malwaretips. you can check also. 

 

i want to tell that that pup/adware detected by bitdefender first, and not by emsisoft. 

 

i am waiting for evidence of video test comparison of pup/adware detection by bitdefender and emsisoft in which emsisoft detected more pup/adware more than bitdefender as per emsisoft article.

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Veteran, i attached pdf copy for emsisoft scan result  version in window 7 OS. one more thing, zone alarm also purhcased kaspersky licence. even emsisoft may try this. but you opted bitdefender becz you also know that bitdefender is best. (you see AV-C results of bitdefneder detection test and check youtube videos, it will give same sense) but i dont want to go in this direction becz this is off topic.

Another reason could have been though, that we want to continue to offer a free scanner only product and Kaspersky didn't want us to so we looked for something else ;). The thing is, don't assume you know all the details that went into our decision when you don't.

 

i saw your article which you shared. can you give some evidence of it? becz its article only.  you can share any videos link here in which emsisoft detected pup or adware more than bitdefender. i would appreciate if you post here video link of any result of pup or adware detection comparision of bitdefender and emsisoft.

Right. Because two months ago, our crystal ball powered early warning system turned on, telling us that at the end of May a user will show up in the forum with a feature request so we better get out a fake article now so we have something to disprove him! Makes total sense ;).

In general not a lot of people do PUP testing. It's actually kind of a niche at the moment and from the top of my head I can't even recall a Youtube review that ever focused on PUP detection/prevention. It may be worth suggesting it to your favorite Youtube reviewer. Your best bet at the moment are malware removal tests on Youtube, as they usually include a fair share of PUPs as well.

 

it meant that bitdefender was first to detect it. i know one thing that if threat detected by emsisoft first then emsisoft signature will be visible if bitdefender detect that threat after emsisoft, then emsisoft will keep their signature only for this threat which they detected firstly. recently i saw this in malwaretips. you can check also.

We usually clean up signatures in waves. So you will continue to see the Emsisoft detection stick around for a bit until the next cleanup wave.

 

i want to tell that that pup/adware detected by bitdefender first, and not by emsisoft.

That one specific, yes.

 

i am waiting for evidence of video test comparison of pup/adware detection by bitdefender and emsisoft in which emsisoft detected more pup/adware more than bitdefender as per emsisoft article.

Take a look at your system. All the traces found are legit and leftovers from PUPs. The only exception would be the DarkKomet one. DarkKomet is a RAT and usually stores a bunch of data in that folder. For example:

https://malwr.com/analysis/MzM0OGVkNDZkMjQ2NDkxM2FlZDY5ZTM5NTFjYTdkNjc/

It is completely possible that the same folder is used by a legit application as well, but we haven't seen one so far. Does the name "ID Detector" ring a bell and resembles an application you have installed on purpose?

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Veteran, let me upgrade you with information that while emsisoft selected bitddefneder engine, reason would surely be (1) detection (2) cost. if you want to tell that detection of bitdefender  is last priority reason for decision of taking bitdefender engine then its wrong. everyone knows that . better i would suggest you to ask internally to your decision maker.

other reason for pucharing bitdefender licence will be there but they will not be main top ten reason for it thats what i want to tell. i m not saying that others reasons are useless..other reasons are also imporatant but yes detection is important reason along with cost. . if you do not respect bitdfender detection then its wrong becz you are using bitdefender engine thats what i want to tell you. ( i know story of emsisoft who used ikarus and removed becz ikarus had many false positive)   if you  still feel that bitdefender detection is lower than emsisosft let us know.

2nd is that why you failed to porvide evidence that emsisoft detected pup/adware more than btidefender. i did not say tht you provide you tube video or others.i gave example of youtube or others.  i said you post any link here even your personal link video in which emsisoft detected pup/adware more than bitdefender. becz your article claims that emsisoft detected more pup/adware than bitdefender. so it meant emsisoft/you might have some detection result document or anyting basis which you posted that article. you can post any thing comparision detection of pup/adware between bitdefender and emsisoft. meanwhile i would be posting here adware result of emsisoft and bitdefender so all can be on same understanding. i am still waiting post from your side on this.

 

3rd is "thanks for your comments  for detection of screen shot posted by me"

 

alexstrasza, i agree with your personal experience that bitdefender has false postivie also i  know same is shown in av-c too..but becz of bitdefender signature false detection, i did not have any run time error or application error this is my personal experience. but yes becz emsisoft detected dark komet (A) for id detector. it gave me run time error during OS start every time it gave me irritation and i lost some trust on emeisoft signature. this is critical point. such things shold not happen.

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better i would suggest you to ask internally to your decision maker.

Which for everything related to our core technologies (engine, behavior blocker, cleaning engine) would be me. Hi, nice to meet you! Next time someone looks strange at me for talking to myself I can now point them to this post and tell them you asked me to talk to me ;).

Your argument is that we chose Bitdefender because it is "the best". Both Kaspersky as well as Avira consistently score higher in pure on-demand tests than Bitdefender does. If you consider PUP detection ESET is a superior contender as well. We considered all of them at one point or another but they were discarded for various reasons.

so it meant emsisoft/you might have some detection result document or anyting basis which you posted that article.

The article is based on the submission we got through the "Submit information about detected Malware" option in all our products, which reports back meta data (infection names, number of infected objects) about all infections found by our products.
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Vetaran, again i m posting evidence to update you about detection fundamental. below was new sample 933# , bitdefender detected 933/933, while kaspersky only 410/933 in first scan. i want to update you that for new sample or zero day malware, bitdefender is only first one. 2nd is youtube video comparision between avira, avg, kaspersky, bitdefender, emsisoft in which btidefender detected highest for new sample, emsisoft detected becz its using bitdefender engine. avira and kaspersky was lower in new sample (around 1500 new zero day sample) detection. you can check yourself in youtube. becz its true transparent video comparision. you are development side from emsisoft. so i have doubt that you missed such things. its difficult to digest brother. ;)

 

http://malwaretips.com/threads/trojan-adware-kazy-packed-933-samples.45576/

 

again, you are telling statement for pup detection, you are not providing comparision evidence of pup detection between emsisoft and bitdefender. why?

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Vetaran, again i m posting evidence to update you about detection fundamental. below was new sample 933# , bitdefender detected 933/933, while kaspersky only 410/933 in first scan. i want to update you that for new sample or zero day malware, bitdefender is only first one. 2nd is youtube video comparision between avira, avg, kaspersky, bitdefender, emsisoft in which btidefender detected highest for new sample, emsisoft detected becz its using bitdefender engine. avira and kaspersky was lower in new sample (around 1500 new zero day sample) detection. you can check yourself in youtube. becz its true transparent video comparision. you are development side from emsisoft. so i have doubt that you missed such things. its difficult to digest brother. ;)

 

http://malwaretips.com/threads/trojan-adware-kazy-packed-933-samples.45576/

 

again, you are telling statement for pup detection, you are not providing comparision evidence of pup detection between emsisoft and bitdefender. why?

It doesn't matter what you said, you are not going to change their mind. Emsisoft is not only vendor out there that are using BitDefender engine alongside its engine, GData,F-Secure,Lavasoft Ad-AWare,and Microworld EScan are using BitDefender engine plus their own engine. Also, i forgot to mention 360 Total Security that use BitDefender and Avira engine as well.  But i still don't know Why you are still fighting over this topic? As long one of them is detect the threats and prevent them harmful actions that all we want. Nobody wants virus and malware runs wild on their machine, and a lot of us doesn't care whether is Emsisoft detect the threat or BitDefender detect the threats. As long they are not running or slip into our computer that's all they care.

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Jerky, i m sure you have not read above reply. i already said final call is upto on emsisoft only. for you, please read above reply in details and then comments. becz your questions or arguments were already answered.

M8, i don't want to read over 20 slides that's too long. 

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I don't see why you keep insisting on this option... The team have made their opinion known, and personally I think that as long as a threat is detected, people aren't going to care which engine did it.

Adding that option will just lower protection without any gain in customer base, since most people aren't tech-savvy and will use products right out of the box or with very minor changes to the default settings. Why add something when it's unnecessary, and maybe harmful if it landed in a machine with an owner that likes to mess around without knowing how it works?

People choose antiviruses based on detection rate, GUI, speed, resource consumption, functionalities etc., not because of whether you can turn off one of its engine or not.

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Vetaran, again i m posting evidence to update you about detection fundamental. below was new sample 933# , bitdefender detected 933/933, while kaspersky only 410/933 in first scan.

Hilarious. You do know that it is essentially the same sample in just 933 variations, right? Not to mention that 933 is kind of a small sample size compared to the around 300.000 new samples we get every day. I can easily select 1000 samples every day that are detected by Kaspersky but not Bitdefender. The same is possible the other way around as well. Quite frankly you can do the same trick with every AV combination on the planet if you do have access to a large enough sample pool.

2nd is youtube video comparision between avira, avg, kaspersky, bitdefender, emsisoft in which btidefender detected highest for new sample, emsisoft detected becz its using bitdefender engine. avira and kaspersky was lower in new sample (around 1500 new zero day sample) detection.

Again an insignificant amount of samples.

 

again, you are telling statement for pup detection, you are not providing comparision evidence of pup detection between emsisoft and bitdefender. why?

I already gave you the numbers. Quite frankly you on your own system had various leftovers of PUPs that Bitdefender didn't mind at all that our engine with our signatures cleaned up for you.
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Alexstrasza, people select av also based on false postive also which you missed in your reply. thats what i wanted to tell in one of my reply. becz it gave run time error. emsisoft earlier used ikarus but due to many false positive, they took bitdefender in their product and removed ikarus.

 

fabian, thats what exactly i asked from you, if you can post threat detection sample detected by kaspersky new zero day , which is not detected by bitdefender i would appreciate. but before that i already asked you to post comparision video of pup detection between bitdefender and emsioft. but you have not done yet. you asked me evidence of false positive of emsisoft which i produced here but you did not produce any evidence you just said things only without any evidence.  Feel like you dont want to post then its ur choice.

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You don't know any details yourself. Last time I checked you do not work for us. Glasshouse and stones my friend.

fabian, what you wanted to tell here? i did not get. if you are telling to me that i dont know. then you are behind me on that specific topic although you are from development side from emsisoft. people want proof which any one shold be able to understand. without proof anyone can talk in air which will be meaningless. 

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you asked me evidence of false positive of emsisoft which i produced here but you did not produce any evidence you just said things only without any evidence.

Actually,  I gave you evidence in form of the numbers from our internal statistics. In fact we gave that evidence 2 months ago already without anyone asking for it in form of a blog post. You just chose to ignore said evidence because it is just numbers and not a Youtube video. You also chose to ignore your own experience of EAM picking up various PUP related traces that Bitdefender failed to pick up.

 

If you do have a few hours to kill, here are 1000 files that Kaspersky detects, that Bitdefender doesn't:

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Is that "proof" enough for you to understand that 1000 files are absolutely nothing when you deal with 300,000 samples and more a day and that you can pick samples to get whatever results you want and why it is important to look at a significant number of samples (200.000+ per day) instead of a small sample pack with just a couple of hundred files to make any meaningful statement about how good or bad a product performs on average compared to a different product over an extended period of time.

 

fabian, what you wanted to tell here?

It's a proverb. "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones." Running around telling people to shut up because they don't know the technical details while you yourself don't know the technical details is a bad idea.
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Actually,  I gave you evidence in form of the numbers from our internal statistics. In fact we gave that evidence 2 months ago already without anyone asking for it in form of a blog post. You just chose to ignore said evidence because it is just numbers and not a Youtube video. You also chose to ignore your own experience of EAM picking up various PUP related traces that Bitdefender failed to pick up.

 

It's a proverb. "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones." Running around telling people to shut up because they don't know the technical details while you yourself don't know the technical details is a bad idea.

again i am telling you that i just gave example of youtube. 

i did not tell shut up. i just said person to read post which that person denied. anyone who is commenting should read all content in totality, understand it and then only comment. if any person talks in air without producing transparent supporting proof, then you can understand that proverb applies to whom. i m not owner of any AV or employee of any AV. i m just user.

i said that for new sample detection, for which i produced proof. (regarding, your kaspersky, bitdefender as above) i also produced malwaretips link of adware which you also agreed and if you still want to disagree about knowledge then its not good thing. 

i have trust in you fabian for which you said that pup traces are detected by emsisoft (you told from my screen post but i did not see your post siting same thing which i was continously asking specially for that your blog which says that bitdefender detected just 37% pup while emsisoft 79%). anyway i do not want to repeat questions again.

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i did not tell shut up.

You said not to comment if you don't know the technical details. You don't know the technical details yourself. You are not in a position to tell people not to comment.

i also produced malwaretips link of adware which you also agreed and if you still want to disagree about knowledge then its not good thing.

Actually I already told you that the 937 sample set you linked is essentially the same PUP in 937 variations. That is a heavily biased sample set and has no significance whatsoever.
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You said not to comment if you don't know the technical details. You don't know the technical details yourself. You are not in a position to tell people not to comment.

Actually I already told you that the 937 sample set you linked is essentially the same PUP in 937 variations. That is a heavily biased sample set and has no significance whatsoever.

Fabian, Position does not required to tell truth to people. i hope you would agree. I also hope emsisoft will respect truth irrespective of position of person of this forum, No one can tell wrong thing in air including you, me and others in this forum let me know if this statement is wrong ( ) . i saw that you did not say anything on that. i posted malwaretips link for 1# adware for which you already agrred that for that specific post detection, bitdefender detected that pup. if any member tell here that this thing does not matter it mean that person does not know technical details himself and his supporters also.

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i posted malwaretips link for 1# adware for which you already agrred that for that specific post detection, bitdefender detected that pup. if any member tell here that this thing does not matter it mean that person does not know technical details himself and his supporters also.

We never claimed that Bitdefender doesn't detect any PUPs at all. Quite frankly when you read the blog post carefully, you will see that around 25% of all the PUPs that our software detects are detected by Bitdefender. Your arguments for requesting a way to disable parts of the engine was that:

1. Bitdefender detects everything anyways, because it is "the best".

2. Our engine produces false positives on freshly installed Windows machines.

What you obviously can't accept is that both your reasons for requesting that option to begin with are plain and simply wrong. You still didn't provide any logs of a freshly installed Windows machine where our engine is causing false positive. You did however provide an example where our engine picked up multiple PUP related objects on your system, that Bitdefender missed entirely, defeating your original proposition that we don't add anything to Bitdefender anyways, because it already is "the best".

The thing is, we do not make decisions based on hobby testers and their communities. We make decisions based on data we gather from hundreds of thousands of scans every month. We gave you the numbers in the aforementioned blog post. Whether you choose to trust them or not, is ultimately up to you. If you don't, I recommend you to uninstall our products as you shouldn't use any software from a vendor you do not trust. This is especially true for critical applications like anti-virus software that usually assumes control over your entire system in order to protect you.

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