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Are pre-installed programs - potentially unwanted?

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On a computer, HP AdAwareCleaner and Hitman Pro find a large number of pre-installed programs (screen)

This is understandable - because the computer is made by HP-Company)

But the question is - are these pre-installed programs potentially unwanted, spyware (why)?

Because they collect information about the user computer? Do you need these programs on your computer?

However, for example, HP Support Assistent checks and offers driver and software updates on your computer!

So are these applications needed on a PC?☹️

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Hello!

Ok, I think that each user must decide for himself whether he needs these pre-installed programs in the system or not.😉

Obviously, there are simply no specific recommendations.

Thanks.

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The programs that computer manufacturers pre-install is based on corporate contracts. Not all of those programs are free from annoyances or other potentially unwanted behavior. Many technicians will remove OEM software from new computers when they set them up for a client for this reason.

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Hello @andrey

Your new computer must have the latest software and is trusted protected. This is the best solution.
When done in parts is expensive, then buying a PC with a preinstalled OS manufacturer is more economical.

At the same time, if us compare a PC with a house and a protected private territory, then you should know all the equipment that is used: for water supply, for electricity metering, reliable door locks, video surveillance, etc. It is unlikely that you will use for all this what is lying in the garbage dump. At the same time, you invite external specialists to whom you trust or do everything yourself to install the purchased equipment.

You will not entrust this work to unknown people who have an unknown reputation and you will not leave a stranger in your house without observing him. Also should be with software. If the pre-installed programs were set by the PC manufacturer or its partners, then these are not your partners, these are completely alien people with their intentions and commercial purpose. You do not know what they set and what goals they pursued.

Therefore, the verdict should be unambiguous - delete all pre-installed programs without a doubt. Your PC is your property, your fortress, your territory, there is no place for a strangers here!

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Ваш новый ПК должен иметь актуальное ПО и надежно защищен. Это наилучшее решение.
Когда все по частям собирать дорого, то покупка ПК с предустановленной производителем ОС экономичнее. 

При этом, если сравнить ПК с домом и охраняемой частной территорией, то вы должны знать все оборудование, которое используется: для водоснабжения, для учета электричества, надежные замки на дверях, видеонаблюдение и прочее. Вряд ли вы будете использовать для всего этого то, что валяется на мусорной свалке. При этом вы приглашаете для установки купленного оборудования внешних специалистов, которым вы доверяете или делаете все самостоятельно.

Вы не доверите эту работу неизвестным людям, у которых неизвестная репутация и вы не оставите чужого человека в вашем доме без наблюдения за ним. Также должно быть с программным обеспечением. Если предустановленные программы поставил производитель ПК или его партнеры, то это не ваши партнеры, это совершенно чужие люди со своими намерениями и коммерческой целью. Вы не знаете, что они установили и какие цели они преследовали. 

Поэтому, вердикт должен быть однозначен — удалять все предустановленные программы без сомнения. Ваш ПК - ваша собственность, ваша крепость, ваша территория, чужим здесь не место! 
 

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On 10/2/2019 at 11:32 PM, andrey said:

But the question is - are these pre-installed programs potentially unwanted, spyware (why)?

На этот вопрос лучше ответить по-русски, т.к. некоторые словесные обороты будут неправильно переведены.
Все софт-коммерсы жаждут продвинуться и развиться, поэтому наблюдение и отслеживание (в т.ч. шпионаж и слежка до кучи) у них стоят во главе угла. Эти действия, скорее всего, будут носить характер сбора информации о другом ПО и предпочтениях пользователя. Так повелось изначально, без этого им не выжить. 
Но у этого сбора инфы есть другая более опасная сторона. Скорее всего эти мелкие компашки будут кем-то взломаны и база данных о клиентах утечет со всеми вытекающими последствиями. Вам это надо? Нет, разумеется. 

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@Amigo-A   " Therefore, the verdict should be unambiguous - delete all pre-installed programs without a doubt. "     I disagree.   /Some/ of the vendor-installed programs are necessary.  Eg on several of my Samsung laptops, those programs include the logic to make the Fn+F2 (etc) buttons perform their ancilliary functions.  Another of the programs is one that offers and installs updates to that program and others.    

If I get rid of the latter program, how do I get updates/fixes for the first program I mentioned?  

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It's not really just an "opinion", if the end result is an unusable machine.

Some of these programs are required to make eg a laptop's screen brightness, volume control, wifi on/off switches etc work.    If you look in the support forums for specific makes of laptop you quite often find people who are desperate to find out why these things no longer work.

It's like reading on linux forums about how people can't get some features of a particular model of laptop to work in a certain linux distro - because there's no open-source drivers for the specific hardware.

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I agree with you and with Amigo-A, and with GT500!

Obviously (I repeat) each user decides what to do.

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Buttons, keys for brightness control - this is on the side of drivers and software from manufacturers.

We talked about software that does not belong to this area, but is obtrude oneself into the user.

If Samsung cannot develop such software itself and takes it from others, then it must certify its partners. 

Quite a lot of preinstalled software is now installed by Microsoft itself. This does not apply to the OS Windows , but is also obtrude on users with the OS.

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@Amigo-A... so which is it?    Above you say "Buttons, keys for brightness control - this is on the side of drivers and software from manufacturers.  We talked about software that does not belong to this area, but is obtrude oneself into the user".

But that's not what you said before.  You said "If the pre-installed programs were set by the /PC manufacturer/ or its partners, then /these are not your partners/, these are completely alien people with their intentions and commercial purpose. You do not know what they set and what goals they pursued.   Therefore, the verdict should be unambiguous - delete all pre-installed programs without a doubt.".

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@JeremyNicoll Hello

Here can add ... "... - delete all pre-installed programs without a doubt, which are not related to devices drivers and auxiliary software for these devices". 

So it will be more correct.

 

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6 minutes ago, JeremyNicoll said:

How is an ordinary user to know which programs are vital and which are not?

What do you mean by a ordinary user?

In advertising, some use the concept of “ordinary”, for example, "ordinary washing powder", but this does not exist.

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If you mean an "absolutely stupid user", then this user does not need to use up a computer and surf the Internet.

If you have in mind a slightly smart user, then programs that can correctly delete pre-installed unnecessary software are suitable for him.

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> ordinary user

Someone who knows nothing about how computers work, who doesn't know what an OS is.   Someone who would never read a computing textbook.

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Just now, JeremyNicoll said:

Someone who knows nothing about how computers work, who doesn't know what an OS is.   Someone who would never read a computing textbook.

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Yes

2 minutes ago, Amigo-A said:

then this user does not need to use up a computer and surf the Internet.

 

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5 minutes ago, Amigo-A said:

If you have in mind a slightly smart user, then programs that can correctly delete pre-installed unnecessary software are suitable for him.

For example, recently AdwCleaner learned to do this. 

I tested this for a month on my and other people's PCs and saw very good results.

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> I f you have in mind a slightly smart user, then programs that can correctly delete pre-installed unnecessary software are suitable for him

How is this user supposed to choose such a program?    Most of the 'tune-up' programs available are likely to damage a properly configured machine.  The user is completely dependent on the programmer having been very careful.  (And of course quite a lot of such programmes are quite likely to contain, or come bundled with, PUPs or malware.)

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I don't understand what you mean by:  "then this user does not need to use up a computer and surf the Internet."

Pretty much everyone needs at least access to a computer these days as governments require more and more to be done online, eg applications for state benefits.  It's a problem for people who cannot afford a recent new machine.   I wouldn't want to be using a public machine (eg in a library or even internet cafe) if I had to use it to send confidential personal information anywhere.

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It seems that I already answered above at what you just wrote.

Absolutely stupid people do not exist, and if they bought a PC and learned how to press some buttons and keys, then this is already a big progress. Then they learn more.

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> You also once sat down at your computer for the first time.

Yes indeed.  But my first personal computer came along after a degree in computing and working as a programmer for more than 5 years.

 

Anyway, I'm not arguing about users who make an effort to understand how things work; my comment about "ordinary users" is about people who don't care how it works.

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26 minutes ago, JeremyNicoll said:

my comment about "ordinary users" is about people who don't care how it works.

Yes. You said correctly, this is people who don't care how it works

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And what you wrote above (about using a PC at home and in public places, in library or internet cafe etc.) - now not only computers and not only people who have computers can do this, now other smart devices can do it.
Some people have learned to use these devices, but do not know how to use computers. And they no longer need them. The functionality of smart devices is almost unlimited. 

Smartphones, tablets also have pre-installed software, and people have learned how to determine which software is needed for them and which one needs to be removed forever.

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13 hours ago, JeremyNicoll said:

Some of these programs are required to make eg a laptop's screen brightness, volume control, wifi on/off switches etc work.

In most cases, those features should work without the need to keep most of the software that computer manufacturers pre-install. If you're not certain about what software should be kept or removed, then there are third-party softwares that can help (Decrapifier for instance, and for a while there was a ridiculous batch file that techs were using that could do it).

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Попробуй AdwCleaner

Там после поиска малвари будет еще вкладка с предустановленным ПО. 

Но вряд ли на родного для ноута вендора они запрограммированы. Родных они не удаляют. 

Скорее всего, и я об этом и говорил, он будет искать только чужих производителей

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Hi!

именно с проверки AdwCleaner все и началось)

Самый первый скрин)

Честно говоря-это не такая уж проблема!

Almost everything I wanted — I heard and took note here! Thank!

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