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Yesterday, after updating to Windows 10 v20H2 (19042.660) I noticed that 'App & browser control' was turned off.
Tried to turn it on from within Windows settings > Emsisoft (see attachment) but turning on would not stick, i.e. it remained 'Turned off'.

Later I updated to build 19042.662 rebooted a few times, but it remained turned off, also this morning.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

 

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It is probably in the 20H2 version build 19042.66x 

There are some changes there, specifically the item "Potentially unwanted app blocking"

I have Windows 10 x64 19041.662 (2004) running as VM, there was no exclamation mark in Defender in the toolbar.

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1909 build18383.1198 to 
2004 build 19041.662 to
20H2 build 19042.662

Maybe because 19042.662 is an insider thing this still needs some update/development..

Thanks.

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Selecting 'Dismiss' - the exclamation mark will disappear.

Tried to find information in the Help file on "potentially unwanted  app blocking"
I suppose they should be enabled?

Both on my VM and host pc they are disabled.
Even after re-installing Emsisoft.

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I have Win 10 20H2 19042.662

It is not an insider build.

In Defender  -Reputation Based Protection Settings -  I do not have Potentially Unwanted Apps Blocking enabled. 

Plus I have no 'Dismiss' there.

I have no problems running EAM with this setting.

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We're still debugging some issues with Windows Security Center integration right now. I have 20H2 (with November updates installed) installed on my host and both 32-bit and 64-bit guests. On the host WSC integration doesn't currently work, and on the 64-bit guest it works fine.

Can you run the following command in PowerShell (with admin rights), and let me know what it returns?

Get-CimInstance -NameSpace root/SecurityCenter2 -ClassName AntiVirusProduct

 

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Thanks for the above.

I have 3 Windows 10 x64 VM's.
#1) clean, x64 19041.662
#2) clean, x64 19042.662
#3) 19042.662 with applications and Emsisoft.

I installed Emsisoft on #1 and #2

Below find the powershell results:

 

 

VM1: Name VMP
Windows 10 20H2 19041.662  (19041...)
Clean system

Installed latest Emsisoft

Windows PowerShell
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Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Get-CimInstance -NameSpace root/SecurityCenter2 -ClassName AntiVirusProduct


displayName              : Emsisoft Anti-Malware
instanceGuid             : {5FD8BF8F-F242-6153-61B5-8FF333E8736B}
pathToSignedProductExe   : C:\Program Files\Emsisoft Anti-Malware\a2start.exe
pathToSignedReportingExe : C:\Program Files\Emsisoft Anti-Malware\eppwsc.exe
productState             : 266240
timestamp                : Fri, 04 Dec 2020 05:09:10 GMT
PSComputerName           :

displayName              : Windows Defender
instanceGuid             : {D68DDC3A-831F-4fae-9E44-DA132C1ACF46}
pathToSignedProductExe   : windowsdefender://
pathToSignedReportingExe : %ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender\MsMpeng.exe
productState             : 393472
timestamp                : Fri, 04 Dec 2020 05:09:12 GMT
PSComputerName           :

======================
VM2: Name: UserX - Windows 10 x64 19042.662

Clean system - no Emsisoft.
Installed Emsisoft.

Windows PowerShell
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Get-CimInstance -NameSpace root/SecurityCenter2 -ClassName AntiVirusProduct


displayName              : Emsisoft Anti-Malware
instanceGuid             : {5FD8BF8F-F242-6153-61B5-8FF333E8736B}
pathToSignedProductExe   : C:\Program Files\Emsisoft Anti-Malware\a2start.exe
pathToSignedReportingExe : C:\Program Files\Emsisoft Anti-Malware\eppwsc.exe
productState             : 266240
timestamp                : Fri, 04 Dec 2020 05:02:18 GMT
PSComputerName           :

displayName              : Windows Defender
instanceGuid             : {D68DDC3A-831F-4fae-9E44-DA132C1ACF46}
pathToSignedProductExe   : windowsdefender://
pathToSignedReportingExe : %ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender\MsMpeng.exe
productState             : 393472
timestamp                : Fri, 04 Dec 2020 05:02:20 GMT
PSComputerName           :


PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>


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VM3: Name: Windows 10 x64 - 19042.662
with a number of applications installed.
Emsisoft installed

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Get-CimInstance -NameSpace root/SecurityCenter2 -ClassName AntiVirusProduct


displayName              : Emsisoft Anti-Malware
instanceGuid             : {67773CDD-EA83-AD98-A2ED-386463EB3B0D}
pathToSignedProductExe   : C:\Program Files\Emsisoft Internet Security\a2start.exe
pathToSignedReportingExe : C:\Program Files\Emsisoft Internet Security\a2service.exe.old
productState             : 266240
timestamp                : Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:16:56 GMT
PSComputerName           :

displayName              : Emsisoft Anti-Malware
instanceGuid             : {5FD8BF8F-F242-6153-61B5-8FF333E8736B}
pathToSignedProductExe   : C:\Program Files\Emsisoft Internet Security\a2start.exe
pathToSignedReportingExe : C:\Program Files\Emsisoft Internet Security\eppwsc.exe
productState             : 266240
timestamp                : Fri, 04 Dec 2020 04:19:35 GMT
PSComputerName           :

displayName              : Windows Defender
instanceGuid             : {D68DDC3A-831F-4fae-9E44-DA132C1ACF46}
pathToSignedProductExe   : windowsdefender://
pathToSignedReportingExe : %ProgramFiles%\Windows Defender\MsMpeng.exe
productState             : 393472
timestamp                : Wed, 02 Dec 2020 07:43:00 GMT
PSComputerName           :


PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

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Note: Windows Settings > Update & Security > Windows Security > App & Browser Control > Reputation-based protection > Potentially unwanted app blocking is 'Off'

Hope above will serve its purposes.

If you need any further details, let me know. If not, I am going to clear / release the used licenses.

Best regards.
 

 

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The first two look fine. The third one has old registration data from Emsisoft Anti-Malware that could be removed.

 

On 12/4/2020 at 1:02 AM, emwul64 said:

Note: Windows Settings > Update & Security > Windows Security > App & Browser Control > Reputation-based protection > Potentially unwanted app blocking is 'Off'

This setting has nothing to do with Emsisoft Anti-Malware. I think it's some sort of Microsoft protection (everything else in the same list certainly is), however I'm not familiar with the specifics. EAM may turn it off since it has its own behavioral protection, however I will have to confirm that with QA.

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Frankly, I am not sure about the Potential unwanted app thing. Will leave it as it is right now.
OTOH I assumed(!) that EAM would take over all settings relating to security, except the firewall, leaving that one to Defender.
Anyway, thanks again for getting back on this.
 

 

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On 12/5/2020 at 2:05 AM, emwul64 said:

OTOH I assumed(!) that EAM would take over all settings relating to security, except the firewall, leaving that one to Defender.

EAM doesn't actually change any Windows Security Center settings. Windows does that on its own.

I did ask QA about this, and they're not aware of EAM changing this setting. We assume that like the protection in Windows Defender it gets automatically turned off by Windows under certain circumstances.

 

On 12/6/2020 at 12:38 AM, emwul64 said:

Thank you very much indeed. I'll switch it on as well. It is a bit strange why it was Off in the 1st place.

I tried turning it on in a 32-bit Windows 10 VM while EAM was installed, and it simply turned back off after a reboot.

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