Umbra 30 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hi, I would like to know what is the new engine used for v7, is it still Ikarus or a new one? rumors said it may be Bit Defender's one. some indications for us? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dashke 5 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hello Umbra Corp.! Yup, it's Bitdefender's engine. I don't know about detection rate, but there will be less fps for sure. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Umbra 30 Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 very glad to hear that ! yes sure less FPs , good move from Emsisoft. BD detection is quite high, during our tests, old EAM (with Ikarus) average score is around 85-95% against zero-days/1 days malwares; with BD i think it will be higher. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Woodrow 0 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I am not happy to see yet another company using Bitdefender, get´s easier for virus writer out there to bypass more and more products as so many are using Bitdefender. I sure hope I am wrong, as I in the last couple of years considered EAM to be the best out there, time and tests will tell. /W Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pars 5 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 BitDefender is Best single-engine antivirus. after it was Kaspersky, Avira, ESET, Norton or..., but I think None of them were good for Emsisoft. BitDefender is best for EAM light, fast, powerful, high-tech Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fabian Wosar 390 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I am not happy to see yet another company using Bitdefender, get´s easier for virus writer out there to bypass more and more products as so many are using Bitdefender. This isn't really an issue in our case as we only use the Bitdefender scan engine and signatures and added all our improvements like anti-rootkit technology, behavior blocking, the Emsisoft scan engine etc. on top of it. So even if malware authors patch Bitdefender detections, it doesn't mean one of our other detection layers won't catch it. To get an idea on how efficient our added technology actually is just take a look here: 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Umbra 30 Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 BitDefender is Best single-engine antivirus. after it was Kaspersky, Avira, ESET, Norton or..., but I think None of them were good for Emsisoft. BitDefender is best for EAM light, fast, powerful, high-tech i agree, Bit Defender engine is very good now, Roboscan, Immunet plus, Gdata and others use it and score quite well on detection tests. Kaspersky is known to be heavy, Avira may be a good choice, but as Ikarus, it has many false positive when set on High heuristic(EAM shift from Ikarus for that reason) , ESET is avery good one but doesn't share their technology, Norton engine is in the same case, afaik. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Illuminati 45 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 There is no doubt that the use of the engine Bitdefender is a step forward and a big step. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pars 5 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 where we can talk about V7 and our problems? Do we have a topic as V6 BETA? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fabian Wosar 390 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Feel free to use the normal support methods if your are having issues with EAM 7.0. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrewek 29 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hello! Tell me, please, do not change the compatibility with other means of protection? MBAM? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Umbra 30 Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hello! Tell me, please, do not change the compatibility with other means of protection? MBAM? actually using it alongside ESET NOD32 , no problems so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0strodamus 2 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 To get an idea on how efficient our added technology actually is just take a look here: Just to clarify, does this mean the current ongoing flash tests are using the beta version with the BD engine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fabian Wosar 390 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 They don't. They demonstrate what we add to IKARUS though and what we will add to Bitdefender as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0strodamus 2 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Thanks Fabian. I read this thread before reading the blog and finding out that the new beta was just released today. Oops. I can't wait to try the new beta later this week when I get back on my PC! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0strodamus 2 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Is there a way to download the beta installer or is updating through the v6 interface the only way to do it? During the update, do the Ikarus definitions and leftovers get cleanly removed from the PC? Is there a way to manually verify that everything went smoothly during the update? Also any more details on the improved surf protection? Are you guys no longer using hphosts? Is it an in-house maintained list? Sorry for all the questions! :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GT500 883 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hello! Tell me, please, do not change the compatibility with other means of protection? MBAM? I've been running EAM 7 alongside MBAM, and there are no issues. I also installed the 1.65.0.1000 beta of MBAM last night, and updated EAM 7 to the latest beta version today. So far everything is working just like it did in EAM 6.x with previous versions of MBAM. As far as I can tell, the switch from the Ikarus engine to BitDefender's engine has not caused any changes in compatibility with other AV software (or at least it hasn't impaired it any). Is there a way to download the beta installer or is updating through the v6 interface the only way to do it? No actual installer has been created for EAM 7 yet (at least not that I am aware of). Right now the easiest way to get EAM 7 beta is to install EAM 6.6 and enable beta updates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cutting_edgetech 5 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 BitDefender is Best single-engine antivirus. after it was Kaspersky, Avira, ESET, Norton or..., but I think None of them were good for Emsisoft. BitDefender is best for EAM light, fast, powerful, high-tech LOL, Bitdefender is not known for being light!! I hope the engine by itself is a lot lighter than the complete product! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pars 5 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 LOL, Bitdefender is not known for being light!! I hope the engine by itself is a lot lighter than the complete product! BD 2013 much lighter than before, In addition, I think the BD engine is not heavy, BD applications due to high features is heavy, Because many antiviruses use of BD engine and are light like "roboscan" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dallas7 1 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 To get an idea on how efficient our added technology actually is just take a look here: (see post #6 above) It's never been apparent from those MRG tests if those missed by Ikarus T3 (and what will be missed by BD) were caught by a2engine, the Behavior Blocker or Surf Protection - not that it matters in the grand scheme of their tests. But, I've often wondered why you Emsisofters think you need another engine at all. Looking forward to upgrading when the non-beta is released. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dallas7 1 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Speaking of Bit Defender, will you be incorporating into Surf Protection their blacklists as currently used, for one, in their TrafficLight browser extensions? Or will you continue with the DNS-BH Malware Domain Blocklist? I pray you never return to hpHosts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GT500 883 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 LOL, Bitdefender is not known for being light!! I hope the engine by itself is a lot lighter than the complete product! The engine is a lot lighter than the finished BitDefender products. We're using their detection engine, and tying it in to our existing technology, so it shouldn't have any real performance impact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fred Singh 5 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I pray you never return to hpHosts. Hear Hear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bokkie123 0 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Hello guys, I really hope they will add also the phishing protection of Bitdefender, it's the best in the market → http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/docs/avc_aph_201207_en.pdf Another improvement for Emsisoft to add the Bitdefender engine, very effective!! Good choice Emsisoft team, your products are outstanding!! Cheers Bokkie123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elise 277 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 The engine is a lot lighter than the finished BitDefender products. We're using their detection engine, and tying it in to our existing technology, so it shouldn't have any real performance impact. I just compared memory usage between the normal (using Ikarus) and beta (using BitDefender) version and I do not see any noticeable difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fred Singh 5 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Any time frame when it is likely to go to a final release ? Everyone i speak to seems to be very happy with V7. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jessarrons 0 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 i agree, Bit Defender engine is very good now, Roboscan, Immunet plus, Gdata and others use it and score quite well on detection tests. Kaspersky is known to be heavy, Avira may be a good choice, but as Ikarus, it has many false positive when set on High heuristic(EAM shift from Ikarus for that reason) , ESET is avery good one but doesn't share their technology, Norton engine is in the same case, afaik. I'm sorry if my English is really bad I'm using Kaspersky Pure 2.0 (default setting), since 5 months ago, and it doesn't slow down my overall system at all (it is very light to me). I don't use Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 to my primary security software, because it doesn't block add banner, and slow down my overall system but Emsisoft Anti-Malware is the best malware scanner, that i ever know. It can scan almost all malware that i know, but can't remove any malware (Kaspersky Pure 2.0 can remove it)... Kaspersky is really bad to scan files, USB and etc (i test it), but very few in false-positives. Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 can detect any malwares (not false-positives) that Kaspersky Pure 2.0 can't detect! (i test it) I set a2service.exe to manual (I only use Emsisoft Anti-Malware to scan any files, because of the memory and can't block add banner). look at this image : Top : Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 Middle : Kaspersky Pure 2.0 Bottom : COMODO Internet Security 2012 COMODO Internet Security 2012 is the best personal firewall that I've ever used! (i test it) I'm sorry if I made some mistakes I just share my opinion... Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pars 5 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Any time frame when it is likely to go to a final release ? Everyone i speak to seems to be very happy with V7. The final version of Emsisoft Anti-Malware 7.0 will be published as soon as we are confident of its stability. Therefore we are not able to disclose a fixed release date at this time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bokkie123 0 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I really hope soon, because I am using the beta now for a couple of days and it seems to work very well and light!! I am very glad with this product. Thanks Bokkie123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jessarrons 0 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I really hope soon, because I am using the beta now for a couple of days and it seems to work very well and light!! I am very glad with this product. Thanks Bokkie123 Hi, bokkie123! Can you shot the a2guard.exe & a2service.exe memory usages in task manager, please? I'm very curious! I'm using Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 (Stable) Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bob77 1 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 hello, I too have been using Emsisoft Anti-malware 7 beta since release no problems thankfully, looking forward to next beta release, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bokkie123 0 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Hi, bokkie123! Can you shot the a2guard.exe & a2service.exe memory usages in task manager, please? I'm very curious! I'm using Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 (Stable) Thanks! Hello Jessarrons, I am pleased to show you the results, they are using pretty low memory and cpu. Working like a charm together....online armor + Antimalware = great combination! I don't know how to add a printscreen in here but it shows me: a2guard.exe : 340kb and no cpu usage a2service.exe : 15.268kb and no cpu usage as well (idle) As you can see pretty low. Just give it a try. Good luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bokkie123 0 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Hi, bokkie123! Can you shot the a2guard.exe & a2service.exe memory usages in task manager, please? I'm very curious! I'm using Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 (Stable) Thanks! Sometimes the a2service.exe is even less then 4mb. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nightwalker 2 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Sometimes the a2service.exe is even less then 4mb. Cheers The boot time is also very fast , but in my Virtual Machine I fell that there is a lot of cpu usage during updates. Just a question to Emsisoft developers: Why the memory usage drops so much after a update ? ( the first update after boot) Hoping it isnt faking low memory usage using Page File , I have 8 gb of ram and I want it used Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fabian Wosar 390 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Why the memory usage drops so much after a update ? ( the first update after boot) Hoping it isnt faking low memory usage using Page File , I have 8 gb of ram and I want it used We do page out signatures that haven't been used in a while to reduce memory consumption. If you don't mind EAM holding all signatures in RAM you can disable this memory optimization in the settings (Configuration/General). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jessarrons 0 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Hello Jessarrons, I am pleased to show you the results, they are using pretty low memory and cpu. Working like a charm together....online armor + Antimalware = great combination! I don't know how to add a printscreen in here but it shows me: a2guard.exe : 340kb and no cpu usage a2service.exe : 15.268kb and no cpu usage as well (idle) As you can see pretty low. Just give it a try. Good luck. Sometimes the a2service.exe is even less then 4mb. Cheers Thanks, bokkie123! Now, Emsisoft Anti Malware 7.0 b is really good in memory usages, but I'll patiently wait for the stable release To upload the image, use more reply option -> Attach Files, etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GT500 883 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Can you shot the a2guard.exe & a2service.exe memory usages in task manager, please? I'm very curious! I'm using Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 (Stable) Thanks! Here's some screenshots showing a2service.exe memory usage from EAM 7 in Windows 7 x64. From Task Manager: From Windows 7 Resource Monitor: From Microsoft's Process Explorer: The memory usage is looking much lower, although as Fabian mentioned it does "page out signatures that haven't been used in a while to reduce memory consumption", so the entire database is not loaded into physical memory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vavidiso_73 0 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 ok I'm using 7.0.06 and I created the scan log, so it is not bad, but the scan is too long may the fault of BD as a very good program - I had not long ago and it turned out to be total defeat - the program an empty shell. Emsisoft Anti-Malware - Version 7.0 Last update: 2012-08-31 11:52:18 p.m. Scanner settings: Scan Type: Thorough Scan Objects: Rootkits, Memory, Traces, C: \, D: \ Riskware Detect: Off Scan compressed files: Enabled ADS Scan: On File extensions: Off Advanced caching: Enabled Direct disk access: Off Scan started: 2012-08-31 11:59:47 p.m. Scanned: 445504 Detected: 0 End of the scan: 2012-09-01 0:28:14 Scan continued: 0:28:27 Why was not chosen Comodo program - in this combination wins it all: ......matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php BitDefender Results: .....av-comparatives.org/images/docs/avc_prot_201207_en.pdf .....av-comparatives.org/images/docs/avc_prot_2012a_en.pdf Fabian on your picture in position BitDefender is apparently high false alarm line, so I'm not sure choice BD is good idea. About using memory EAM 7: 12320 kb ( ..... put in place dots - http://www.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bokkie123 0 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Thanks, bokkie123! Now, Emsisoft Anti Malware 7.0 b is really good in memory usages, but I'll patiently wait for the stable release To upload the image, use more reply option -> Attach Files, etc. Ok thanks for the info!!! Will try it next time.....have a good weekend! Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bokkie123 0 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 ok I'm using 7.0.06 and I created the scan log, so it is not bad, but the scan is too long may the fault of BD as a very good program - I had not long ago and it turned out to be total defeat - the program an empty shell. Emsisoft Anti-Malware - Version 7.0 Last update: 2012-08-31 11:52:18 p.m. Scanner settings: Scan Type: Thorough Scan Objects: Rootkits, Memory, Traces, C: \, D: \ Riskware Detect: Off Scan compressed files: Enabled ADS Scan: On File extensions: Off Advanced caching: Enabled Direct disk access: Off Scan started: 2012-08-31 11:59:47 p.m. Scanned: 445504 Detected: 0 End of the scan: 2012-09-01 0:28:14 Scan continued: 0:28:27 Why was not chosen Comodo program - in this combination wins it all: ......matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php BitDefender Results: .....av-comparatives.org/images/docs/avc_prot_201207_en.pdf .....av-comparatives.org/images/docs/avc_prot_2012a_en.pdf Fabian on your picture in position BitDefender is apparently high false alarm line, so I'm not sure choice BD is good idea. About using memory EAM 7: 12320 kb ( ..... put in place dots - http://www.) Did you also check this av-comparatives report? http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/docs/avc_fps_201203_en.pdf Bitdefender never generates false positives. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hackerman1 6 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 This isn't really an issue in our case as we only use the Bitdefender scan engine and signatures and added all our improvements like anti-rootkit technology, behavior blocking, the Emsisoft scan engine etc. on top of it. So even if malware authors patch Bitdefender detections, it doesn't mean one of our other detection layers won't catch it. To get an idea on how efficient our added technology actually is just take a look here: I removed the picture from the quote... And which test are you referring to ? What was tested in that test ? References, please ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stapp 159 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 @hackerman1 http://www.mrg-effitas.com/current-tests/flash-test-results/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hackerman1 6 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 @hackerman1 http://www.mrg-effit...h-test-results/ OK. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vavidiso_73 0 Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 BD in this http://www.av-compar...s_201203_en.pdf test have 4 flase alarm, otherwise look in this picture: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
0strodamus 2 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 No issues here with the beta. Installed and updated smoothly. Scans are fast. So far, this version feels as light on my system as v6. I like how the new menu minimizes to the left, but still shows the icons for each item. This is obviously minor, but IMHO on a system with antialiasing disabled, the old version had a more visually appealing font for the menu items. I'll report back if I encounter any issues, but so far another job well done to the Emsisoft crew! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bokkie123 0 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 BD in this http://www.av-compar...s_201203_en.pdf test have 4 flase alarm, otherwise look in this picture: Yeah, just 4 which means not a big issue..........but the Ikarus engine generates much more false positives then Bitdefender! Third place from the top! Not bad at all..... I put my trust on Bitdefender....not Ikarus....sorry. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dallas7 1 Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Why was not chosen Comodo programI'm not sure choice BD is good idea. You guys should hire this dude! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bokkie123 0 Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 You guys should hire this dude! Are you serious? The defense + feature is a good one and their firewall is also top notch, but the antivirus generates too many false positives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scottls1 4 Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 We do page out signatures that haven't been used in a while to reduce memory consumption. If you don't mind EAM holding all signatures in RAM you can disable this memory optimization in the settings (Configuration/General). Re?: If you don't mind EAM holding all signatures in RAM you can disable this memory optimization in the settings (Configuration/General). Q1?- Does this mean that EAM V6 Is or Is not holding all signatures in RAM with default settings? Q2?- If the answer= Is not- How much RAM would the 7.4million... signatures use (I'm W7 32bit- 4gigs of RAM, and 2.61gigs Physical available)? Q2a?- What would the Performance increase"s" be...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MousePad Posted September 6, 2012 Report Share Posted September 6, 2012 I'm sorry if my English is really bad I'm using Kaspersky Pure 2.0 (default setting), since 5 months ago, and it doesn't slow down my overall system at all (it is very light to me). I don't use Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 to my primary security software, because it doesn't block add banner, and slow down my overall system but Emsisoft Anti-Malware is the best malware scanner, that i ever know. It can scan almost all malware that i know, but can't remove any malware (Kaspersky Pure 2.0 can remove it)... Kaspersky is really bad to scan files, USB and etc (i test it), but very few in false-positives. Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 can detect any malwares (not false-positives) that Kaspersky Pure 2.0 can't detect! (i test it) I set a2service.exe to manual (I only use Emsisoft Anti-Malware to scan any files, because of the memory and can't block add banner). look at this image : Top : Emsisoft Anti-Malware 6.6.0.4 Middle : Kaspersky Pure 2.0 Bottom : COMODO Internet Security 2012 COMODO Internet Security 2012 is the best personal firewall that I've ever used! (i test it) I'm sorry if I made some mistakes I just share my opinion... Thanks! i thought a bug was on my screen LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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